Semantic Shenanigans Episode 14- Jedi Jive Turkeys

Semantic Shenanigans Episode 14 – Jedi Jive Turkeys

Jedi Jive Turkeys?

Semantic Shenanigans Episode 14 – Jedi Jive Turkeys

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Shanna passed her written preliminary doctoral exams! Also, she saw Star Wars: The Last Jedi on December 27, in honor of the first anniversary of Carrie Fisher’s death.

Also – she found the missing pants!


Janet finished the first draft of Mettle, which tops out at just over 121,000 words and needs editing, but she’s going to set it aside for a while. 2018 will include more short story writing, for which she has a ton of story prompts, and editing, beta reading, etc. She may self-publish something next year – stay tuned!

Her bathroom is still unfinished. There is a medicine chest on the floor. It hasn’t made it to the wall yet. The handyman guy can’t come anyway as they still have snow to beat the band. She shovels snow, work, and pays bills these days. Adulting? Kinda nailed it. Sorta.

Otherwise, life is pretty quiet. She rewatched Discovery in preparation for its return on January 7th.

Oh, and she found the missing top.

Updates to the Sexual Harassment List

The list continues to grow. We added (among others): NFL analysts Heath Evans and Marshall Faulk and the first woman on our list, Andrea Ramsey, who has accusations of sexual harassment against her. The Kansas Democrat has dropped out of her race for a US House seat. Miguel Sano and David Boreanaz were also added. More information on Boreanz is here.

First Anniversary of Carrie Fisher’s Death

The release of The Last Jedi brought about many remembrances of Carrie Fisher, who passed away December 27, 2016. We discuss her contributions to the film behind the camera and in front of it, as well as her openness about mental illness, drug addiction, and what it means to be a woman in our world today, all of which undoubtedly contribute to sustaining the her devoted fandom. Plus Of Course Carrie Fisher Wrote Her Best Last Jedi Lines.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Shanna discusses the film, particularly the performances of Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher, and other aspects of it she especially enjoyed. She also explains the puffins and the the backlash against the prominence of women characters.

Backlash and Criticisms against The Last Jedi

We unpack much of the controversy surrounding the film, including the way it undermines expectations, Mark Hamill’s initial disagreements with Rian Johnson over Luke’s characterization, and Snoke as a Wikipedia: “Macguffin” rel=”noopener” target=”_blank”>MacGuffin. We also discuss queerbaiting of StormPilot fans and complaints about plot holes and character arcs among the more valid discourse against the film.

Fan Butthurt

We also talk about the more ridiculous responses to The Last Jedi, including self-righteous petitions to remake the film or remove it from canon (Star Wars Fan Who Set Up Petition Against The Last Jedi Admits it was “a Bad Idea” ) and death threats against Rian Johnson, all with a smattering of fanboy tears from “men’s rights” groups and the alt-right. Talk about your Jedi Jive Turkeys!

More about Star Wars: The Last Jedi

We also noted a particular scene: Mary Poppins or Princess Leia? The Last Jedi Director Talks THAT Controversial Moment. Plus we took note of this article from the Journal of Transformative Works: Swan Queen, Shipping, and Boundary Regulation in Fandom.

Remember The Empire Strikes Back?

Anecdotally revered as the best Star Wars film ever, we talk about how both critics and fans alike were similarly hard on it back in 1980, as well as the fact that it did not do as well at the box office as the preceding Star Wars film, thus debunking the idea that The Last Jedi is a flop just because it didn’t do as well as The Force Awakens on opening weekend.


This month, we discuss the supposed “war on men” and the accompanying lawsuit triggered by Iliza Shlesinger’s girls-only show, and the epic editorial comments on Milo Yiannopoulos’s racist, misogynistic, self-indulgent book. We also cover the death of beloved celebrity Rose Marie and discuss her contributions to both popular culture and feminism. Finally, the most recent season of Black Mirror has come to Netflix, which Shanna binge-watched in a day, and she gives her take on the season.

So how do you, as a fan, react to our Jedi Jive Turkeys? Tell us in the comments, if you like. Or send us a note!

Thank you!

Thanks for listening! Our show would not be possible without the help, kindness, and generosity of some truly wonderful people. First of all, we would like to thank Busy Little Beaver Productions for giving us this great opportunity. We would also like to thank our music providers, Cerys and Kailani of Invocation Array. Thank you, ladies! Please check out their music here and here.

So our biggest thanks go to sound engineer extraordinaire, Michael Medeiros, and his niece, Katie, our announcer girl. Yes, we have the only announcer who has to take a break and study fractions and the times tables.

Furthermore, we would also like to thank our families for instilling in us our curious and creative impulses, and for encouraging us in all we do.

Finally, thank you, our audience. Because you’re why we are here. We do this for you, ya Jedi Jive Turkeys! 😉

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  1. The argument that people don’t like Luke’s characterization because they don’t want him to change is a gross oversimplification. No one is disputing that people can evolve. But attempted murder of his nephew? Yes he changed his mind but come on! My test of whether Luke is in character is the following: what would Padme do? As a thought experiment, do you think she could have been a curmudgeon if she lived long enough? This thread says my feelings about Luke better than I can.

    Where were the MRA’s when the EU came out with a good share of strong female characters? Funny I don’t remember people criticizing the prequels for having a feminist agenda, despite its kickass handmaidens and Natalie Portman being so vocal about wanting Padme to be a strong role model for girls. But I’m sure we would have seen it if there was social media back then. So it’s obvious those MRA’s don’t get the point of Star Wars. Despite Leia being the only main female character in the OT, Joseph Campbell told Bill Moyers that the Rebel’s victory over the Empire symbolized the return of the feminine. Wish I could dig him up from the ground and have him preach.

    While women who sexually harass don’t have systemic support, the stereotype that men want sex all the time still counts as social support. So while it’s less common than women getting harassed, men get taken less seriously when it does happen. Because why would he say no to sex or female attention?

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